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immy
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Bulldog Bash to go ahead
      #28522 - 26/06/2008 10:50

So, Warwickshire Constabulary have decided NOT to appeal against the decision by Stratford District Council to grant a 10 year licence for the event-originally the Police did on the grounds of public safety etc based on intelligence received-was this the same intel that North Wales used to shut down that show and the same intel that Iraq had WMDs
I just hope it doesnt blow up at the Bash-that will be the final nail the Police Forces across the UK will need to shut down every biking event

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chappers
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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: immy]
      #28524 - 26/06/2008 11:17

I'm glad that the council has seen sense and listened to local businesses possibly.
I also think it would be suicidal to attempt anything at the Bulldog bash, there will be members from most if not all the UK and many European chapters. In-fact there may be a very heavy presence for this year, not to cause trouble but to make sure it all goes off with out a hitch and I should imagine the Angels are liaising even closer with the local police regarding security I do know they used to work closely with Kent police with the Kent Custom Bike show. The attack last year was cowardly, fit only for people of Idotsavants level I doubt they'd have the guts for a face off.


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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: chappers]
      #28526 - 26/06/2008 12:23

A victory for common sense?

Or are Warwickshire just lucky they don't have a Brunstrom in a neighbouring area.....?

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: xxrider]
      #28592 - 28/06/2008 10:51

Or the police being complicit with patch clubs in assisting them to knock out competing events.

It offends my sense of decency that a small business organising an inoffensive show in Wales gets shafted, while the HAMC are able to better defend themselves and see the police off, and thus get to profit from the suggestion that they might be engaged in a potential shooting war with another patch club.

I don't actually think the Bulldog bash should be shut down, but I do think that for as long as every rumour of possible patch club violence screws over everybody except the patch clubs involved who instead profit from the situation (and this is the second time this has happened), there is absolutely no incentive on the 1%ers to wind their necks in...

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: KwH]
      #28594 - 28/06/2008 11:06

Quote:

Or the police being complicit with patch clubs in assisting them to knock out competing events.

It offends my sense of decency that a small business organising an inoffensive show in Wales gets shafted, while the HAMC are able to better defend themselves and see the police off, and thus get to profit from the suggestion that they might be engaged in a potential shooting war with another patch club.

I don't actually think the Bulldog bash should be shut down, but I do think that for as long as every rumour of possible patch club violence screws over everybody except the patch clubs involved who instead profit from the situation (and this is the second time this has happened), there is absolutely no incentive on the 1%ers to wind their necks in... <img src="http://www.superbike.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />



The HA are a corporation and probably have top notch legal representation.
It may be controversial but I like the Angels.
When I was younger the 1%ers embodied everything that was motorcycling to me freedom, brotherhood, flipping a finger to authority and doing it all on two wheels, altho I and they have changed since then.


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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: chappers]
      #28596 - 28/06/2008 12:01

Quote:

The HA are a corporation and probably have top notch legal representation.

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When I was younger the 1%ers embodied everything that was motorcycling to me freedom, brotherhood, flipping a finger to authority and doing it all on two wheels, altho I and they have changed since then.




As an outsider, the HA have always struck me as having more in common with the mafia than with any MCC I have direct experience of.

However, I'm sure that that's merely a failure of perception on my part...

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: KwH]
      #28598 - 28/06/2008 18:05

Not MCC MC there is a big difference, I don't think your perception is that far out but they aren't all bad, altho as a club they are better organised than some corporations with the patch itself and title are now registered trademarks.
It never used to be that way the original ethos was purer.
http://www.hells-angels.com
I'm biased I used to have good friends in the Kent Chapter and considered prospecting during the late 80s wasn't always like that for me tho untill I met one and we got on like a house on fire.


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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: chappers]
      #28600 - 28/06/2008 18:19

No, I'm certainly aware of the distinction between an MC and an MCC. But of course the professional spin doctors on the payroll of the Angels these days would have us believe that the MC is just a misunderstood MCC, with added brotherly love.

And of course for all I know for certain that's all they are. But given that various people are allegedly confidently expecting dead bodies to turn up soon as the result of an expected tit-for-tat gangland murder, there may be just a tiny bit more to them than that...

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: chappers]
      #28601 - 28/06/2008 18:21

PS: I was once asked to prospect for the United Bikers. I must look like a 1%er...

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: KwH]
      #28602 - 28/06/2008 19:03

I thought they were based in Bedford not Wales used to know their president at the time Tony, oddly enough from Bed-ford think he died in about 89 90 lost contact with him about 84ish good bloke fucking piss-head. At the time I was in an MC affiliated to the Outcasts and Hell Angels Rateye Amalgamation.

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: chappers]
      #28605 - 28/06/2008 20:27

Quote:

I thought they were based in Bedford not Wales used to know their president at the time Tony, oddly enough from Bed-ford think he died in about 89 90 lost contact with him about 84ish good bloke fucking piss-head. At the time I was in an MC affiliated to the Outcasts and Hell Angels Rateye Amalgamation.




Bedford sounds about right. At the time I was living in High Wycombe, and one of the UB's established members used to drink in the bikers pub where we held our MAG meetings - the Nags Head in High Wycombe. It all caused a lot of unneccesary drama, apparently - of which I was blissfully unaware until later. I obviously 'looked the type' (beard, long hair, fat, rides a motorcycle - check!), but I was never going to join a back patch club as long as I have a hole in my arse, so when this guy kept sidling up to me and telling me how much jolly fun it all was and that I should come along, I nodded politely and expressed my doubts, thanked him for his kind offer, told him I'd think about it etc. I figured that "stick your 1%er bollocks up your arse" might offend, so I didn't say that. In hindsight I should have.

There was a mate of mine from MAG, a 6'8" tall, 5' wide bus mechanic as it happens, who really did want to buy into the whole 1%er thing, and was enthusiastically prospecting for them, and unbeknownst to me they gave him the job of 'just pushing me over the edge' to come along and prospect, obviously as some kind of test. Anyway, I let him down gently as well, but more firmly, and thought no more about it. Weeks later, at the annual show we organised in Chinnor, I was accosted in friendly fashion by several UBs including matey from the pub who again urged me to prospect with them. This time I was rather clearer that I really wasn't interested. "But did Nick not have a word with you?" they asked, incredulously... "Yes, and really I'm quite sure, I'm not interested!" I said.

Next time I was at a MAG meeting I was accosted by Nick's rather pissed off other half berating me for 'getting her Nick booted out of the UB's'. Apparently, he failed the test...

Fortunately, he was pretty cool about it. Which is good, because I wouldn't have fancied dealing with him if he hadn't been...

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: KwH]
      #28606 - 28/06/2008 21:04

Hum can't I'd have prospected for them either decent enough bunch of guys but not what I considered a full on MC.

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Re: Bulldog Bash to go ahead [Re: immy]
      #30314 - 06/08/2008 18:32

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So, Warwickshire Constabulary have decided NOT to appeal against the decision by Stratford District Council to grant a 10 year licence for the event-originally the Police did on the grounds of public safety etc based on intelligence received-was this the same intel that North Wales used to shut down that show and the same intel that Iraq had WMDs
I just hope it doesnt blow up at the Bash-that will be the final nail the Police Forces across the UK will need to shut down every biking event


So you decide-is it Operation Overkill? Operation Reasonable or Operation Lets piss visitors off so they wont come again
http://onlinenews.warwickshire.police.uk/appeals/2008728Significantpoli
But before you decide-check their archives as well-2006 4 crimes(bag theft and a nicked Harley )
But also read the wording of the main text- a very interesting note "other forces" meaning they have brought in Police from other counties which in my experience is unprecedented in events like this. Also serious road closeres that actually pissed the locals off and had to be changed.
All in all what message are they sending out?
Im sorry but IMO its not the message "if your coming here to have a gang war dont bother" -more of an attempt to put off people going in the first place
I just hope I dont stand to be corrected-in any event to all those peeps going-"please be patient what will all those stop/searches-body searches-vehicles checks and searches- Im sure you will get to the ball. Cinderella-eventually

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