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JockR1
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Death Drivers
      #29403 - 15/07/2008 15:00

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7506668.stm

What a place we live in, so they are saying if you are going to cause death by driving, do it while you don't have a licence or without valid insurance, that way you will only get a maximum of two years in jail.

If I had a choice, I would rather be hit by a insured driver with a licence than one without.(who is more likely to stop or fail to stop)


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KwH
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Re: Death Drivers [Re: JockR1]
      #29412 - 15/07/2008 18:01

'Careless driving' means 'making a mistake while in control of a vehicle and either getting seen doing it, or being proven to have made a mistake after the event, by the police'. Since humans aren't infallible, any of us could be guilty of careless driving tomorrow. In fact we probably will be, except that the police almost certainly won't be there to see it.

A bloke was recently complaining on the web that he'd just picked up a brand new bike, went to brake for a roundabout in the first five miles, made a cock up of it due to unfamiliarity and locked the front, dropping the bike which slid across the roundabout, smashing its tank on the kerb opposite and bursting into flames, completely destroying itself.

Obviously, due to there being a burning motorcycle in the middle of the roundabout, the old bill turned up with the fire brigade and the ambulance, to find that the owner was nursing bruises and a broken collar bone to go with his flambed pride and joy, but ever helpfully they then stuck him on for.... driving without due care and attention! Which proves that they were complete fatherless wankers, obviously. But he was, people who know told him, guilty and absolutely bang to rights. Because? It was his fault, he had obviously made a mistake. And mistakes are illegal. Even though to err is human.

Of course, if the bike had slid across the roundabout and knocked over a cyclist and killed them, it would have been a terrible tragedy, no doubt. But the rider no more wanted to kill a cyclist than he wanted to spanner his collar bone and destroy his brand new bike. But under this new law, that's causing death by careless driving, and a recommended three year jail sentence.

So, every time you get on a bike or in a car, you have to accept that unless you are actually Neo from The Matrix, or perhaps a Terminator, you have a small but finite chance of ending your journey in jail for three years (following those guidelines) and unemployable for most of the rest of your life, probably. And being human, there is nothing you can do about it. Except give up ever riding or driving.

And of course, if you think you've made any kind of mistake and if somebody else is seriously hurt and might die, in circumstances where the police and a jury /might/ decide that your mistake had something, anything, to do with it, you have to chose between doing the right thing and looking after the injured party, phoning an ambulance, etc etc, and doing a runner and denying all knowledge of any accident in the hope of not going to jail if the worst happens.

So, how many people are going to do the /right/ thing and risk their home, their marriage, their family, friends, reputation, potentially their life, and how many are going to do a runner and hope that they dodge the bullet (everybody survives, and/or they don't get found out)?

Should make the roads loads safer, shouldn't it. Making being human illegal. That'll teach those bastard human beings to drive a car, van, lorry or ride a bike, the cunts!

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Re: Death Drivers [Re: KwH]
      #29413 - 15/07/2008 18:48

I'm with Ken here. Good post.

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makka
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Re: Death Drivers [Re: adowds]
      #29435 - 15/07/2008 22:27

I also agree with above but surely the guy with the burning bike could have gone to court and got off that one?

The problem as I see it is also that we have all been trained to be obedient sheep who won't question the rich fuckers laws or their enforcers

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KwH
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Re: Death Drivers [Re: makka]
      #29440 - 15/07/2008 22:52

Quote:

I also agree with above but surely the guy with the burning bike could have gone to court and got off that one?





Nope, he was clearly guilty. Although busting a bloke who has broken bones and a burnt out bike for three points and a £60 fine on top is clearly kicking a man when he is down. Every time you fuck up, however slightly, and even if you don't fall off or crash into anything, that's the definition of 'riding without due care'. Because if you were riding WITh due care, of course you wouldn't have made the mistake, would you. So mistake = without due care.

Falling off all on your own without any help is overwhelming evidence of a mistake, and evidence of a mistake is, as discussed above, evidence that you are guilty of 'Riding Without Due Care'. Collect 3 points & a £60 fine, do not pass go.

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"Ride what you like, how you like, as often as you like; but always take responsibilty for your actions." - Anonymous Zen Guru

"Obviously all I'll care about is if it's good for wheelies (i.e. fluffs up my meagre skills), and what free gift they give on the launch." - Anonymous Moto-Journalism Guru




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makka
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Re: Death Drivers [Re: KwH]
      #29443 - 15/07/2008 23:19

So when I slid off 'cos of a tad too much throttle on wet grass on the way home I should have handed myself in?

Beam me up Scotty.

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Well, maybe meditation helps too.


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KwH
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Re: Death Drivers [Re: makka]
      #29446 - 16/07/2008 00:13

Only if you also hand yourself in every time you exceed the speed limit. But if you had been in the UK, and if the filth had seen you, and if they wanted to be complete wankers, then you'd be bang to rights.

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"Ride what you like, how you like, as often as you like; but always take responsibilty for your actions." - Anonymous Zen Guru

"Obviously all I'll care about is if it's good for wheelies (i.e. fluffs up my meagre skills), and what free gift they give on the launch." - Anonymous Moto-Journalism Guru




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