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Would it be safe to get an aftermarket can fitted to a brand new bike before you take delivery, or should the bike be 'run in' first before changing the exhaust? I'd imagine that a new can would mess around witht the fueling a bit, but not sure if that would effect the engine during its run in period
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The advice Ive always been given(and taken) is to do the running in period first then fit exhaust systems- : 
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it certainly makes sense, but i'd never really thought about it until the other day when it came up in conversation and a pal asked me.
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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if it invalidated your warrenty if the engine were to pop within the running in period. Just wait until after the first service. It's only 1k miles.
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I had an Akropovic can fitted by the dealer to my ZX10 when new and that was 3 years ago, no problems so far. As far as I know the engine hasn't even been run with the original can on never mind run in.
I think the way you ride it during the run-in will be far more important than whether it has a can on or not.
Edit: At the dealers suggestion I might add.
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big_al
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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if it invalidated your warrenty if the engine were to pop within the running in period. Just wait until after the first service. It's only 1k miles.
i'm not actually doing it mate, its just a theoretical question, but i am fully aware of the warrenty implications it might have, but if it were fitted properly, with the fuelling re-mapped then surely there would be as little chance of it going pop as with the standard can?
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I had an Akropovic can fitted by the dealer to my ZX10 when new and that was 3 years ago, no problems so far. As far as I know the engine hasn't even been run with the original can on never mind run in.
I think the way you ride it during the run-in will be far more important than whether it has a can on or not.
Edit: At the dealers suggestion I might add.
as mentioned above mate, did this effect your warrenty?, i guess as it was fitted at the dealer, by the dealer then you should still get full warrenty eh?
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I had an Akropovic can fitted by the dealer to my ZX10 when new and that was 3 years ago, no problems so far. As far as I know the engine hasn't even been run with the original can on never mind run in.
I think the way you ride it during the run-in will be far more important than whether it has a can on or not.
Edit: At the dealers suggestion I might add.
as mentioned above mate, did this effect your warrenty?, i guess as it was fitted at the dealer, by the dealer then you should still get full warrenty eh?
I don't know because I never had any warranty issues but I'd have been mightily pissed off if a Kawasaki dealer had suggested I fit the can and then Kawasaki said the warranty was invalid because of it.
My understanding of warranties is that if a change is directly related to the aftermarket part then there may be issues but not otherwise. ie if the header pipes melted then Kawasaki could claim the end can affected it but I can't see how they could claim the end can was at fault if the engine went pop for example.
Imagine the implications for both Kawasaki and Akropovic if fitting one of their cans popped an engine. I can only talk from my own experiences but I've had end cans from new on my last two bikes, I've kept them both for at least 3 years and 13000 miles, never had a problem at all that could be attributed to an end can. Remember you've got 'fit for purpose' protection under consumer law as well.
My ZX10 a couple of months ago had a misfire but that was a dodgy plug and the dealer I took it to (different to the one I purchased it from) said "that's a sweet motor you've got there mate" so in my experiences it's a non-issue and TBH something I hadn't even thought about before.
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I don't know because I never had any warranty issues but I'd have been mightily pissed off if a Kawasaki dealer had suggested I fit the can and then Kawasaki said the warranty was invalid because of it.
i take it this was the speacial deal that i think i remember kwak doing, Akro cans with the ZX10 for a speacial price or something like that
My understanding of warranties is that if a change is directly related to the aftermarket part then there may be issues but not otherwise.
Now you mention it, i had problems with my ignition cutt off system, it activated all of a sudden, took it to kwak and they fixed it under warrenty, i told them i had an aftermarket can and they said no worries as the problem was nothing to do with the exhaust system.
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jesus that 'multi quote in one post' thing is a pain in the arse to get right.....or is it just me?
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If I recall correctly in all my cases it was the dealer who was nervous about fitting it straight away-if there is a prob with the engine during the running in period-he just sends the engine /bike back to the manufacterers-they open it up and if they get a sniff that there had been a non-standard pipe fitted-no warrenty. There probably was some truth in that.
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When my mate bought a brand new 916 sps it came with two sets of cans and he was told not to fit the termignoni's until the first service where they changed the chip as well.
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big_al
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that might be specific to Italian bikes, my boss had an Apriila Millie, it was restricted during its run in period by a chip of some sort, after that run in period was over, the dealer adjusted the fuelling for normal riding (or words to that effect), but in his case, they didn't, possibly a mistake by the dealer, but this caused my boss no end of problems untill some time later he found out that this was the cause of his problems.
I haven't heard of this in any Jap bikes tho.
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I think my Akropovic must have been some sort of deal with Kawasaki 'cos I got that and a sprint SXC damper for £500, and that was after a £1000 discount on the bike as well, wasn't pre -registered or anything the dealer told me Kawasaki were trying to shift a lot of units.
I actually only went to book my SV1000 in for a service but they offered me £4500 px so I swapped for £4000 including the extras. I'd have been crazy not too.
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RichWallo
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I bought a ktm 990 supermoto this year,and wanted some aftermarket cans,i was advised to wait until the first service, when the dealer fitted them.It wasn't technically run in but they didn't say anything about warranty claims,the only thing they wouldn't do was remove the baffles.(But they did suggest how it might be done) 
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The GSXR1000 came with a set of Arrow cans recently, that was a Suzuki offer, not sure if they advise that it's run in before fitting though.
It's a good excuse to go and buy a new bike though. 'It's for research purposes love, I'm trying to help one of the guys on a forum and the best way is to try the hands on approach!!' 
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my boss had an Apriila Millie, it was restricted during its run in period by a chip of some sort, after that run in period was over, the dealer adjusted the fuelling for normal riding (or words to that effect), but in his case, they didn't, possibly a mistake by the dealer, but this caused my boss no end of problems untill some time later he found out that this was the cause of his problems.
Aye yeah, the mille had a few running in restrictions, but lots of dealers didn't remove them. Mine did fortunately.
On the mapping being as reliable, yes you're right it would probably be better than the standard mapping, but I don't suppose that would stop the dealer using it as an excuse.
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