Aussie675R
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Reged: 07/01/2009
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Loc: Victoria Australia
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Hi all, bout to pick up a 675r and would love to fit the Arrow 3-1 exhaust but the twin Arrows look the biz also,can anyone tell me how the race pipe is to live with day to day?
Cant wait for JP to tell me! (sorry mate).
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chappers
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Welcome on board mate.
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BigHam
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I guess you mean the street triple R?
The 675 Daytona is single can only.
Race cans are always loud, but not that loud. Go for it if you have the money for a full system and a PCIII.
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Aussie675R
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Yes the street triple r, the great thing about arrow being a factory part is once the systems on its a 5min download into the bikes ecu and its done ..for free! no exy power commanders and tune ups.Ill probaly just go the 3-1 it sounds horn.. cheers
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Aussie675R
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thanks for having me..looking forward to chatting to everyone.
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BigHam
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Excellent choice and welcome.
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chappers
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You can proably get the can with a street legalish baffle I must say I like the idea of 3-1 on the S3 never been a fan of the styling of the STD cans.
No need to thank us for having you,this is an open forum.
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greasy
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Reged: 13/02/2008
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full system yes yes yes,pc111 no no no, useless invasive bit of kit on a trumpet.Get a tuneboy off of wayne @ www.tuneboy.com.au and save a fortune in diagnostics, get the lastest tunes and install them and the ability of `tweaking`tunes yourself,I guess you can tell i realy like my tuneboy 
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immy
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full system yes yes yes,pc111 no no no, useless invasive bit of kit on a trumpet.Get a tuneboy off of wayne @ www.tuneboy.com.au and save a fortune in diagnostics, get the lastest tunes and install them and the ability of `tweaking`tunes yourself,I guess you can tell i realy like my tuneboy
I take it then your related to Tuneboy  ???
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greasy
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I wish mate  ,Actualy it is a good bit of kit and has been good fun learning about mapping etc,I never liked having to cut the loom to fit PC`s in the past(bad with electrics i am),and the maps you can get are far superior to the dealers ones they charge to upload for you i can swap maps sports, touring etc in 40 seconds the dealers charge 1/2 hour labour min for this so i am quids in 
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chappers
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Since when have you had to cut the wiring loom to fit a Power commander.
If this set up is so good why does the company resort to dubious marketing techniques IE slagging off the Power Commander Two Brothers Yoshimura and Bazzaz don't need to resort to that shit do they and they all offer the same thing apart from Bazzaz and they offer what appears to be top notch programmable ECUs.
As for down-loadable maps there are a ton of free maps that anybody can download for free on the PC or like I and many others have done you get a custom map done and that will cost the same whatever system you use.
I wouldn't believe too much of their marketing BS if I were you I've never heard of anybody having issues with Power Commanders and I'm sure there are thousands of Happy customers using PC111 on their Triumphs
Modify fuel map via fuel trim table
Modify ignition map you can buy the ignition module same job done.
Change rev limit the red line is set by the manufacturer for a good reason if you have a tuned engine then you'd probably fit a kit ECU so it's useless
Change thermo fan settings what the fuck is that rad fan will keep the bike in it's optimum range anyway so not really needed
Modify air fuel targets used in ECU again only really useful in a tuned engine again you'd use a kit ECU so usless
Change idle speed I'd do that by tweeking the idle adjusting screw
Change warm up fuel for cold starting the STD ECU does all that anyway all the PC does is adjust the fuel map for any exhausts etc.
Diagnose faults Again the STD ECU does that and will tell you the fault code
Run ECU test procedures Why is this needed
Modify fuel mapping using DynoJet tuning link
Change when the ECU uses O2 sensor for closed loop mode the PC does away with the Lambda sensors on my bike don't need the fucking things only good for passing emmisions regs.
Data logger kit ECU again I also seem to remember that Bob Gray has a data logger fitted to his R1 as well as a mapped PC111
Adds another point of failure in the system so why does the Power commander add a point of failure and the Tuneboy not bullshit I say if the PC can break down so can the tuneboy.
Causes closed loop mode to function incorrectly Quote:
If you try and adjust the map (with a PCIII) in an area where the ECU runs in closed loop, the ECU will trim the map based on the feedback from the O2 sensor, this will in effect remove any adjustments that you have made with the PCIII. Not only that but it may cause other parts of the map to run lean because of the amount of trim it has had to apply to remove the PCIII trims. As you can imagine this is not a good situation.
On the other hand with TuneEdit you change an area from 14.5/1 to 13.5/1 by simply changing the target value, changing this value from 14.5/1 will stop the ECU from using closed loop mode in that area.
remove O2/Lambda sensor therefore removing the closed loop and tune accordingly simple.
Causes fueling problems at high altitude and how might that be don't plan on riding my bike at 30'000 feet more bollox I fear.
Tuneboy could well have a good product but they ain't enderaing themselves to me. Further more everybody and his brother can set up a Power Commander Never heard of a tuneboy till just now.
I will admit though the price of a Power Commander is a rip off by about £100.
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greasy
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nice rant m8  ,try a tuneboy and you will never go back to a power commander , and i had to have the loom chopped when i had my gixxer fitted with a pc and my R1.just because you`ve never heard of it chappers does not mean its no good,its easy to use and and anyone and even his wife can use it,i`m good mates with a mechanic at a triumph dealership near where i live and he raves over the flexibility of it(more functionality than the triumph `gameboy` his words not mine),and as it is direct to the bikes ecu not a 3rd party control as is pc(i.e the ecu is `highjacked` for want of a better expression by pc)it makes life very easy for fine tuning tunes to suit after market exhausts,and getting a custom map dyno`d is cheaper(personal experiance as ive had them done for my m4 can, zard and arrow exhaust systems ive bought over the 18mths ive had my S3) with tuneboy setup as the map is closer to requirement from the beginning meaning less pulls in each throttle position etc,but it all come down to what an individual wants not a pair of old `stick in the mud`s` waffleing on an internet forum
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Aussie675R
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Reged: 07/01/2009
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Loc: Victoria Australia
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Great to see there are many different opinions about what tuner to use! turns out the 3-1 race system can only be fitted with the pillion pegs removed..GUESS WHAT? yes the missus wants to ride with me. Does anyone else have the annoying problem of extra ballast hanging of the back?.Looks like the slip on Arrows will get the go ahead,with the factory map for now.No point getting to serious when your restricted to street legal bullshit is there now. P.S here in Aus it was 32c and perfect for riding.. did i hear on the news the sea has frozen in the UK? you poor buggers!!
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chappers
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It's the way they felt the need to "slag" Power Commanders off that's got up my nose. You seem to be the first person I've come across whio has had to butcher his wiring loom to fit a PC but I'm sure if there are others they will join in the discussion.
I do see your point of view as to how the Tuneboy works and it's flexibility but if I were to carry out work to my bike that required that level of control I'd be using either the Kit ECU or the Bazzaz syatem, but that last statement is completely arbitary as they don't produce on for my bikeas the only make I'd consider on their list is the Aprilla and they are easy to set up as the factory supply maps for open cans.
Anyway your system works well, you are happy that's what counts.
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chappers
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P.S here in Aus it was 32c and perfect for riding.. did i hear on the news the sea has frozen in the UK? you poor buggers!!
Yea but at least we have got rid of most of our criminals plus we still have Cricket and Rugby teams to be proud of.
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Aussie675R
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Reged: 07/01/2009
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Loc: Victoria Australia
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Yeh Chappers your right everyone does things differently, the PC5 looks the biz for 09 bikes?? have only read a bit so far. Is the factory Trumpet mapping worth changing.. the fuelling feels soooo smooth, as good as my honda600rr.I dont know if this bike (street675R) will need to much else in street/trackday form,will be interesting to see what J.P does with his long termer.
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Aussie675R
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Reged: 07/01/2009
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Loc: Victoria Australia
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Yes ok you got me there, but seriously the riding here is the best.. but you knew that...
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chappers
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Yea I have some friends that moved there a couple of years ago and they love it.
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immy
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My lakes frozen over-does that count?
Going skating on it at the weekend-
BTW chappers we may have got rid of all our crims to Auz-but look what the buggers did back to us
Kylie????
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chappers
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And jason
But then there's Stoner, Richards, Dean Thomas, Toy Bayliss, Boc Parkes, Andrew Pitt, Wayne Gardener, mick Doohan Want me to go on. I recon there is some thing in the water.
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