Timo
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As some off you might remember i had a bit off an argument with some roof trusses which has left me with a weak left shoulder with three bolts in it. thats not the problem though, the problem is i've lost all off my cofidence on my bike i can ride it alright but on corners i used to lean the bike right over i find i'm going round slower an upright does anyone have any suggestions?
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chappers
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You just need to give yourself time and relax enjoy the riding don't concentrate on leaning or not leaning and I think it will all come good in ot's own time.
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Timo
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I hope your right chappers.
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chappers
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Yea I''m right chill out relax enjoy. the more you stress yourself about something the worse it gets, you'll be tensing up all the time.
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Timo
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cheers chappers i'll start medatating now hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. 
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chappers
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Cheeky shit. 
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Timo
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I get that alot I don't know why though? 
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Biggles
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It would help to not think so much about leaning, but concentrate instead on getting your lines *smoothly* right- at any speed.
This should really help because if you get them right, you will see ahead better-so no nasty surprises, you will match your speed to the road better-so no nasty surpises, and as you are predicting he road better you will not need to rely on leaning as much. If you ride smoothly it will be, by definition, be more relaxing
Lastly on leaning, take your time as Chappers says, but also, literally take your time. ie go slower *into* corners, this will allow you to get onto the gas earlier on the way out-which, ironically, will more often than not mean you will take the whole bend faster.
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Timo
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to be honest i'm not really thinking about leaning I'm thinking shit will my shoulder give up half way through the corner or if i break to hard on the straight will all my weight be transferd through my good arm and cause the wheel to turn left whilst braking sending me over the bars (that thought was given to me by a once good mate) so its not really the fear off leaning or cornering its the thought of my shoulder not being strong enough although i'm going to the gym again and can bench press and all so i don't think its that weak but i know its weaker than my right one, so i need to find i way off compensating?
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Biggles
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OOOookay.
I see your prob, but it is pretty unlikely that you will throw yourself down the road by breaking. Obviously being smooth will help, but have you never seen or tried braking with just one hand on the bars? Believe me it really can be done very effectively. I would not want to set any braking records like that, but that is not the point.
Sounds to me like you could also do with being aware of how much control you can exert with your knees. Squeeze the tank and you can stop your body from moving. You might find that buying stomp grip (plastic sheets with bobbles that ft to the side of the tank) would be a good investment (you really get alot of control with them). What bike you ride will effect the prob too. Hopefully you are not on a 1098.
I am going on a fairly long ride tomorrow, part way through I will do a bit of vigorous braking on your behalf and only take the weight on my right arm and see what happens and report back. If I end up *needing* to use my left I will tell you.
In the mean time you could find the old IAM training trick some help. Try riding for a few miles *without* using your brakes at all. Only use engine braking. This means you have to predict conditions, use good braking distances and have to ride *very* smoothly.
If you are able to take your weight on the bike then a large part of it is in your head (you mention you can bench press, so I think this could well be the case). If you are not able to take your own weight at all then maybe it is still too early to be riding.
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Timo
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Thanks biggles no i don't ride a 1098 but an sv1000 so the engine braking is quite harsh but i will ride to work tomorrow and try your tips it funny you mentioned stomp grips as i was just looking on the demon tweeks website and will be ordering them tomorrow as for the one armed braking be carefull on my behalf won't you. thanks again
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Biggles
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yes I just saw your other post and that you have an SV, in fact that could be seen as is a bit of an advantage (the bike being braked from the rear), the engine breaking is strong (or can be) but you are not going to throw yourself off under engine breaking. I also see you do climbing, so the stomp grip will *really* help. You will know from climbing how much control you get with your stomach muscles/core strenght, so if your knees are anchored you can control most of your body weight via your stomach muscles.
BTW when i went down there regularly i used to see one armed guy at box hill, he had a modifide gsxr1000-no probs.
I will be careful (also on the look out for camera vans) tomorrow, quite looking forward to it 
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chappers
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You at Box hill tomorrow then biggles?
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chappers
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to be honest i'm not really thinking about leaning I'm thinking shit will my shoulder give up half way through the corner or if i break to hard on the straight will all my weight be transferd through my good arm and cause the wheel to turn left whilst braking sending me over the bars (that thought was given to me by a once good mate) so its not really the fear off leaning or cornering its the thought of my shoulder not being strong enough although i'm going to the gym again and can bench press and all so i don't think its that weak but i know its weaker than my right one, so i need to find i way off compensating?
everything that biggles said spesh the stompgrip brilliant stuff beats skateboard tape  .
Build braking forces up slowly and as biggles says combine the front and rear braking and use the engine.
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shinybusa
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All of the above Timo...look for your vanishing points on the road as well, read the road and you won't need brakes....just build up gradually fella..
Stomp grip as Chappers/Biggles suggested, if your into climbing your core strength will more than compensate for any weakness in the shoulder, and I doubt very much if the braking forces from the bike will make your shoulder fold up......take your time and build up your confidence again......
I had a bit of a confidence crisis a few months ago....it's all in your head mate........Give us all a shout when you scrape the tarmac with a peg/slider.. 
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Biggles
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You at Box hill tomorrow then biggles?
ah no, a bit to the north and then very much south-must dash this is a great day for a test ride
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thetony
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Quite bizarre this thread coming up two days after I took my bike out for a shake-down after a bit more fucking around with the nightmare brembos...
A mile or so later the front end starts binding dangerously (!?) again so, I shit you not, I whipped out the pads (only RH caliper binding)and continued on my merry way for the first proper ride since christmas, when if yez remember -the same problem put me on my arse and ate half my knee!
Not using the front brakes for the little (Not exactly straight home) run was not such a big deal, using pretty much all the good advice being given above i'm sure Mr Timmo has just got a 'mind over matter' situation to deal with...Good luck. The mind is a dangerous place! lol
Ps. I wasn't gonna mention the 'no brakes scientific shake-down', but It is kinda relevant here. FYI I stuck to quiet roads away from everyone and am fully aware of the idiocy of the event. It was great fun though, plus I now know way more about the brake problem. Gotta love science...Fucking get on with it Timmo, you'll be fine. FFS look at what the pro racers do with a little help from Dr Costa!? (Allegedly get their lifespan shortened by 33%!)
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chappers
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I agree riding around and avoiding using the brakes is an excellent exercise in forwards planning IMO brakes are used far too often on the road.
thetony I read a post regarding the front calipers on the RSVs and seem to remember something about the Master cylinder seals or possibly too much brake fluid binding the front calipers when it gets hot.
It was one of these.
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/index.php
http://forum.rsvr.net/
http://www.rsvzone.com/forums/
I think it was the first one.
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thetony
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Cheers chappers, just spent a while on the AF1 site and think i'll join the 'zone one. Fuck me those sites are much slicker than this one to use ain't they!
I took the master cylinder off for a look, before the last run and it's pretty much a sealed unit. behind the lever there is a brass coloured rod, wrapped in a spring, sheathed in a rubber gaitor which i'd love to have a look inside. But i'll have to butcher the thing to do it...
Regarding the spring; I thought it was pretty stretched as i've pulled it through several times now, so cut off a few coils at a time to check if it was putting any pressure on the mastercylinder piston itself? That didn't cure it but I did get further than i thought before the bastard bound up on me so I shall investigate further. I think a radial masterclinder conv was popular at the time so a stock one has to be lying around for me somewhere...
Pub time for me again! Cheers those of yez who have voted for wee Heather, although the number of people who read the thread v's actually voted was shite so far! lol The pics she used don't really do her justice - She's got a bebo site if anyone wants a look... obviously my inability to ever get a link to work means i'm not gonna waste yer time with a dud again! haha
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chappers
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Ha! well done you've just reminded me.
On the brake lever there is a plunger that operates the slave cylinder it's adjustable and locked with a small grubscrew from underneath, if there is no clearance then it can apply pressure to the braking system causing the brake to bind, you just need to adjust it so there is freeplay before operating the plunger and needs to be done if you replace the levers with after market ones.
when I say the plunger is adjustable I don't mean the span adjuster.
Thanks for reminding me what the problem was I was racking my brain trying to remember.
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Edited by chappers (20/03/2009 17:48)
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