FastBikerBoy
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So is there much to deduce from that do we think or was it too much of a set up lottery?
I had the season ear marked as a Stoner fucks off into the distance - Rossi fucks off into the distance seesaw with one of them doing it more often than the other and winning the championship.
Lorenzo was my dark horse tip for last season but never really took off so I'd pretty much written him off this season. At least it was a little bit more of a race than Qatar. Maybe they should change the rules so they only have one pratice/qualifying session every race if it makes the racing closer. 
I thought Pedrosa was impressive, all things considered.
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Tapoutduke
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Yep, agree. I thought it was an interesting race. I didn't think anyone was catching Rossi at the start, the way he went off. Fair do's to Lorenzo, he didn't give up. But what happened to Rossi mid-race? Thats where he lost it and only seemed to wake up when Pedrosa started ankle biting. BBC commentary by the way was dull, as seems to be the norm.
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immy
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After Lorenzo passed Rossi I got the impression-rightly or wrongly, that Rossi deferred to his team mate.His lap times behind Jorge remained consistent like he was guarding his back  and he only changed gear when Pedobolt attacked him.And when he got back into 2nd-again his times were the same. He seemed to make no attempt to chase Jorge at all. 
Nice to see Dani attacking-wonder what made him give up?
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chappers
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Certainly cured my insomnia.
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KwH
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I thought Pedrosa was impressive, all things considered.
Bear in mind that Motegi is Honda's own track. Rossi obviously had setup problems, as did Stoner. Lorenzo seemed to have less problems in that respect, but the Pedrobot probably had access to millions of laps of data from any number of Jockey sized Japanese test riders so he could get a good setup for the extant track conditions without actually having to sort it out himself.
Judging by how well the rest of the Hondas did (or didn't), I wonder whether that setup data was shared around, or whether Alberto Puig forgot to copy it to anybody else...
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Giorgos
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I think Dani's set up is pretty different for him than the other honda riders because of his weight and height. If what greek reporters mentioned is correct, because of dani's injurie he had not that much time to set up the bike like he wants it with the new frame in general this year, motegi not being an exception. He wanted to try some set ups in Qatar but i think he took his chances and rode the old (last year) version of set up and frame. I think he was pretty good, attacked Rossi as good as he could although i think that a good shaped Dani would have kept his lines so Vale wouldn't be able to pass him right away.
In general for Motegi, i was kinda dissapointed that Stoner was so anxious at the beginning. I think Rossi's start make him lose his composure for quite long. Desmosedici's after half race improvement with half tank empty was enough to get him past a tired Dovi but he was not up to the expectations. Expectations that Rossi had cleverly created to mess with his mind like he has done so many times in the past with so many opponents (now it's Lorenzo turn to feel it i guess).
I really hope Pedrosa strikes back at Jerez with Stoner close, so we have a nice 4 condenders championship on our hands;)
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makka
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In general for Motegi, i was kinda dissapointed that Stoner was so anxious at the beginning. I think Rossi's start make him lose his composure for quite long. Desmosedici's after half race improvement with half tank empty was enough to get him past a tired Dovi but he was not up to the expectations. Expectations that Rossi had cleverly created to mess with his mind like he has done so many times in the past with so many opponents (now it's Lorenzo turn to feel it i guess).
So nothing to do with his brakes being buggered for the first several laps then? As mentioned both on the TVcoverage and MotoGP.com.
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Giorgos
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I think Stoner said that the chattering caused by the front brake along with better start from his opponent had him with no confidence at all. Anyway it is something he revealed, when a motogp rider explains his bad day he usually blames the bike but as far as i now, front brake doesn't debug itself:P so if he rode with the confidence of the last 5 laps the whole way, he would propably had a better result (or a crash:P).
Ok, i know that writing it on a keyborad is kinda easier than doing it on a motogp race, but stoner is my favorite driver and i was just dissapointed he didn't push as much as i think he could due to shaken self-esteem (a very bad thing when on a bike).
Anyway he can't really complain, Hayden had a Jap on his arse:P.
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kneedowndave
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I am sure it was said on TV that a finger print on carbon brake discs can make a difference, surely this would clear.
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FastBikerBoy
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I guess a lot of it is down to confidence as well. Stoner said he didn't have much confidence in his brakes in the first 6 or 7 laps. Rossi said that he lost confidence in the bike for a while halfway through. Hence neither reached their full potential in that race.
Undoubtedly to some that makes Stoner a whining twat while Rossi was unlucky with bike troubles. To me it makes them both human. I really hope Lorenzo shows what he's capable of this season. I still think he could be the next real dominant rider
I think it'll be make or break for Pedrosa this season. Honda will expect results - or else.
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chappers
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Why do I smell BS when Stoner makes such excuses, all I saw was Stoner having to actually race for one.
I must be very blinkered when it comes to him.
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makka
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Could also be affected by fuel weight.
Yes we all know you are biased against Stoner Chappers. You never miss a chance to insult him.
It was totally clear that something was wrong as he was just going backwards for the first few laps. Even you would have to admit that it doesn't normally happen like that.
He races perfectly fine. Haven't you been watching for the last five years?
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chappers
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Like I said I'm very blinkered when it comes to Stoner.
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makka
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It must be the name reminding you of the good old days that we can't live any more 'cos we are all old and sensible, or have kids etc.
Or the whining 
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chappers
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TBH I was indifferent towards him unitll the girly strops and the fact that he always seems to blame anthing other than himself for "poor" results.
He a genius in regards getting a bike around the track quickly especilally if there is nobody in front but!!!
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monkiboi
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Another rider that I thought went well was Marco Melandri. Could do anything with the Ducati but went surprisingly well on a bike that the factroy doesn't want to run themselves. Well done that man.
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chappers
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Melandri, now theres a racer I have respect for shuts up gets on a races.
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monkiboi
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Should've been COULDN'T do anything with the Ducati. Ooops.
Just goes to show how difficult a bike it is to ride. He did well on a Honda the previous year and this year did better on a priveteer bike than a full factory Duke!Amazing
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