immy
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FastBikerBoy
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He should think himself lucky he wasn't on a motorcycle. He'd have been tortured for several days before being burnt at the stake.
But more seriously I'd like to see some sort of consistancy in sentence to fit the 'crime' (or perhaps even the potential of the crime)
What I mean by that is take away the sad fact that someone died in this case, what would the opinion be if he'd just been doing 90 in a 30 with no-one killed? I suspect many would find 3 years in nick and a 4 year ban quite hefty. The only difference though is that in the plain speeding case the speeder has been lucky that no one was killed. The irresponsibility is the same in both cases.
I think 90 in a built up area is far far worse than say 120 on a dual carriageway. (more than 6 times worse anyway) You can quite reasonably not expect to find pedestrians wandering around a dual carriageway. So was the speeding biker on a dual carriageway (6 months inside) dealt with severely or the copper in this case dealt with lightly? I personally think one of those statements must be true.
I still think the whole attitude to speed in this country has to change from the downright ridiculous - speed kills to 'inappropriate use of speed kills'.
There's certainly more chance of getting people like me onside with that sort of approach. I could live with some twat being banged up for 10 years if they are caught doing 90 in a 30 (assuming it's an appropriate limit) whether they have an accident or not, or kill someone or neither. What I can't accept is someone being banged up where the only person at risk is the driver/rider.
As for sensible and consistent punishment, I'm not holding my breath.....
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chappers
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So he'll do 18 months, I can't help but wonder what the sentence would have been had it been me or you behind the wheel.
The Yanks have a name for it with I believe a fair sentence (3-15 yrs but 3yrs is 3yrs in the US)Vehicular Manslaughter.
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monkiboi
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I still think the whole attitude to speed in this country has to change from the downright ridiculous - speed kills to 'inappropriate use of speed kills'.
Now it's funy that you say that. I was reading something in the tabloids about Top Gear and films like Fast and Furious tempting the younger generation into speeding, glamourising it, if you will.
A top brass copper then went on to say that speeding of any kind should carry the same stigma as drink driving. Hmm, thats why I know of people who think it's okay to have a couple of pints and then get behind the wheel. One guy I knew was lucky to walk away from a nasty accident when he was pissed and he still drinks and drives.
So there you go. Speeding is BAD. Thats me fucked then. I don't think I ever stick to the limits, except in 30's of course. It's not big and it's not clever. But if I get caught I accept the points and fine without complaint. Unlike a certain footballer who has just been let off by using Mr Loophole. Bastards. One rule for them .....yada yada.....
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FastBikerBoy
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TBH I can't complain too much about the system. I've not been caught for years and never on a bike which is when I silly speed. I have my own rules.
I stick to 30s, 40s & 50s avoid dual carriageways like the plague and don't sit at anything above 85 on them although I do make brief forays into some really silly speeds (which is why I avoid them).
On the open road though I let situation dictate my speed which might be 5 mph or 185. I think I've slowed down a lot now I'm doing regular track days though but I accept the consequences of my actions be that legally or anything that may happen to me as a result of my riding.
Unless I'm endangering anyone else which I don't think I do, then I just wish the nanny state, do-gooding fucking busy bodies and their whipping boys & girls in uniform would leave me alone.
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dangerousbrothers
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FastBikerBoy I salute you, I ride by the same rules. Keeps me happy and so far a licence in my pocket...
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immy
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http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/pr010509_dougal_sentence.htm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090504/tuk-police-cause-nine-crashes-a-day-dba1618.html
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Biggles
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ooooooooooooooooooooooh bad, very bad.
maybe it is me that should be beside the road with a radar gun?
certainly a new angle for the think campaign, look out for cops-they might crash into you.
obviously the lack of grade one traffic cops is beginning to show
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immy
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Your right Biggles-it fits in nicely with my "rather long"reply on the "Police State" thread-reducing costs by reducing training.
I was chatting on Skype with a former collegue(an x-Chief Inspector and IOC of the former T/2 Traffic Office based at Rochester-Kent) He reminded me that certainly up until 1988 if a Police Officer was involved in an accident that was in any way his/hers fault they automatically lost their Police driving permit until they took another driving course. That could be anytime from 6 months to 1 year depending how booked up the Force driving schools were.Now it seems that they have to have a fatac to loose their permit. Bloody ridiculous.
I wonder how that Sussex Police rider would have fared if he had had a serious prang whilst engaged in that infamous "evidence gathering" video last year-bet the video wouldnt have surfaced 
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chappers
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There was a fatality involving a police car yesterday. 
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2009/may/6/fatal_crash_on_a21.aspx
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thetony
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I imagine a certain 'Bodie and Doyle' rection to a radio call might make a copper forget to check his mirror before giving his panda car a dose of the lead boot... Immy has mentioned previously, the lower level of mental ability now needed to become a police officer. I can picture the scenario when the call comes in that an ACTUAL slight possibility of getting a chance to be a real cop, just like them on the telly - when that oportunity arises, that is when the fuckwits mow down a toddler.
If it is now deemed sooo unsafe for a mere mortal to be able to multi task with a mobile phone while driving like an ordinary citizen, HOW unsafe is it for a bobby with five GCSEs (in PE) to respond with adrenaline flowing, blues and twos blaring, contradictory info being radioed through, another idiot in the passenger seat with alternative route ideas and very verbal thought proccess to contend with! What were the target figures again? Coupled with a rugby-boy competetive edge that means you HAVE to get to this one first as you didn't do such a great job of the last botched one... and you might get called names over your fish fingers and jelly in the canteen at dinnertime. All of this rushing through a mushy police brain at mach 3 through a housing estate. It is no fucking wonder the fannies accident stats are through the roof! Most of the guys I know who have joined the police force couldn't pat their head while rubbing their bellies, they were all studying some low level shit course (mostly to become PE teachers/personal trainers) at college until they realised there was a secure career out there for them with a pension...none of the pricks would have earned close to a cops average salary (including the overtime for watching football games and assaulting people with dreadlocks) and their mums and dads would be ever so proud of them for becoming one of the bill. All they would have to do to join up would be to lay off the party drugs for a bit until they were in, stop hanging around with their old mates and accept the fact that their partner would inevitably cheat on them because of the shift work and negative demeanor since the dark,ugly side of life entered their own.
I know many cops. I like one. I feel sympathy for the poor bastards as they don't have much going for them...no, sorry it is CONTEMPT i feel for the poor bastards. The sympathy is for the rest of us who have to occasionally interface with the fuckers. FTP.
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FastBikerBoy
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I know many cops. I like one.
 ROFLMAO That has got to be the funniest line I've read on here in a long time, even though I suspect it wasn't written for humour.
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